Published on 10:30BST, 18 Nov 2011 6 Comments

Henry Hill

I wasn’t aware that Ian James Parsley had posted a response to my critique of his federalist position until recently. I’ve since brought myself up to speed and will respond again, providing a succinct presentation of my views on the various issues he raises.

First, I do not believe that a Conservative government can reverse devolution. What I do believe that unionists need to do is hijack devolution and change its shape. Instead of the ‘devolutionary centralisation’ of the SNP and Plaid, where they simply seek to claw as much power as possible to the national assemblies, we should be advocating more radical localism. Local councils, elected mayors and so forth can all be used to sate people’s lust for localism without boosting nationalism.

Ian’s point about adopting a make-or-break option to the nationalists is one I completely concur with. The Scots have a right to decide whether they’re in the UK or out of it, but if they choose to be in it then they must negotiate that position with the rest of the British. The idea that the SNP can simply cherry-pick their relationship with the UK is as ridiculous as the belief that the UK can do such with the EU.

The ‘Greater England’ point is one which Ian and I are not going to agree on. Put simply, it is all a matter of perspective. Ian sees an over-mighty English bogeyman squatting at the heart of the union because he insists on viewing the union through the prism of the home nations. I take the position that whether or not you are Mancunian, Brummie, Glaswegian or from any other corner of our country, you are British and that in order for Britain to continue to warrant existing we must be governed as British.

This is what lies at the heart of my argument that unionists need to start fighting for the conscious British identity. Labour first started undermining it when they adopted anti-English posturing in Scotland in the Eighties, and the nationalists have piled on that bandwagon since.

Ian says that at a recent event the idea of ‘Northern Irish’ as a primary identity went unchallenged. That’s fine. Unionism is not about choosing whether or not you are Northern Irish or British, but about being Northern Irish AND British. The understanding that you can be both is one of the things that makes unionism superior to nationalism, with its worship of a primary identity.

His very focus on ‘England’ serves to undermine Ian’s argument. He is right to note that England and Scotland have diverged economically, but that masks the true story. The north of England is economically and politically very much like much of Scotland (sans the nationalism). Any story about the ‘divergence’ of the areas of the UK should be about how the capital-driven, well-connected and prosperous south has increasingly left behind the post-industrial, remote fringe.

But that narrative doesn’t fit into the arbitrary lines of the Home Nations. Given that the North of England has suffered a similar fall from industrial grace as Scotland, Ian’s treatment of England as a single unit is no more legitimate than my belief in Britain as one, and his statements about how unconsciously recent policies have represented ‘English’ interests are thus wrong. If anything, they represented Southern interests.

England’s lack of identity does not mean that British identity is English. Ian commits the fundamental flaw – common amongst ideological nationalists – of assuming that ‘England’, as a cultural unit with convergent economic interests, has to exist. But this isn’t the case – the only thing making Scotland’s relationship with the South different from the North’s is the lack of a border. The English nation is a cartographical fiction, and Ian’s adoption of arbitrary national boundaries rather than actual regional politics and economics demonstrates the anti-unionist world view that underlies his argument.

Finally, I maintain that Scandinavia was an absurd example for Ian to use in his first article, and his explanation confirms that. He is right to say, in his counter-rebuttal linked above, that a Scandinavian model is where a lot of Scottish and Welsh nationalists would like to end up. I don’t doubt that. But Ian was using it to illustrate an apparently ‘unionist’ argument. And as an example of an end point unionists are supposed to find desirable, pointing to Scandinavia is a bit like pointing to Austria-Hungary.

In short, my original position is unaltered. The frame of reference Ian uses when he forms his world view really shapes his conclusions before he starts. He adopts the Home Nations as the fundamental building blocks from which an argument must be formed despite the fact that ‘England’ is just as arbitrary a construct as ‘Britain’. He continues to play down the role of ‘Britishness’ and explicitly states that Britain is not a unit.

This is an entirely honourable world view for a nationalist to adopt. But it is a very strange one for a unionist, because it holds that Britain is a fundamentally illegitimate concept. The idea of deciding policy on a British level is seen as ‘doing what England wants’. If you view the Home Nations as fundamentally sovereign then the Union simply doesn’t make sense. If Ian thinks like that, I’d be interested to know whether or not he actually considers himself a unionist.

I, rather, continue to believe that unionism requires a belief in the validity of the British state and conscious identity. The assumptions behind nationalism, including those behind Ian’s argument, are at heart arbitrary. Pan-British democracy could be viewed as doing what England says; but it could be equally said to be doing what the South and Midlands say or even just what the majority say. Choosing ‘England’ rather than one of the latter two is the product of a fundamentally nationalist view of the world where those lines have some special importance.

Unionists – the best unionists, anyway – hold that no particular line on a map holds some sort of mythical, fundamental importance. That’s why I’m proud to be one.

Henry Hill is a British-Irish dual national student based in Manchester. He studied History at the University of Manchester and is now studying Journalism. He’s a Conservative, Unionist activist and authors the blog Dilettante, where this article first appeared. http://dilettante11.blogspot.com/

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  • http://toque.co.uk/ Toque

    “Unionists – the best unionists, anyway – hold that no particular line on a map holds some sort of mythical, fundamental importance.”

    Then there are no decent unionists in mainstream politics because all parties have Scottish and Welsh manifestos, some form of Scottish and Welsh parties, and all recognise the sovereign right of the Scottish people to self-determination.  They all support devolution to Scotland.  Why Scotland; why draw a line on a map that happens to coincide with the boundary between England and Scotland?

    Sorry, I can’t buy your argument that Unionists don’t regard national boundaries as fundamentally important.  Without national boundaries we’re simply the ‘British nation’ as opposed to a ‘union of nations’.  Recognition of boundaries, national identities and cultures should be fundamental to Unionists.  That they’re not goes some way to explaining why the Union is broken.

  • Chris Wessex

    England has the right to be her own nation with recognition, Britian in not a Country it’s a political concept, devolution shows us this. England takes her name after a people, so to deny this countrys is to deny the people and their existance, and that is RACISM.
    Anyone who suggest that England must be cut up into 9 regions or sopme kind of localism has to remember that there are things that will go, such as there can never be an England Football team, or Ruby team or Cricket team, etc etc etc So how are you going to sell,the to the people>???

  • http://www.forengland.org Wyrdtimes

    English not British – damn your so called “Union”.

  • Anonymous

    ‘Unionists – the best unionists, anyway – hold that no particular line on a map holds some sort of mythical, fundamental importance. That’s why I’m proud to be one.’And that is exactly why the union will fall. Unionists simply do not see Scottish national identity as important whilst the majority of Scots do. I am a nationalist not because I am afraid of an English bogie man but because I have never felt British. I like England, I go on holiday there but I feel exactly the same about France, Spain and Italy. How can I be British when I do not feel British? It makes no sense. I speak Scots not English, my flag is the saltire, my capital is Edinburgh and my national anthem is Flower of Scotland. Not because I choose these things, I have simply never felt otherwise. Britishness just feels artificial and unnatural. What’s more you can feel a kinship with other peoples whilst being independent. I feel a kinship with the Irish, we share many traits. I share a kinship with Canada, Scots helped to forge their nation. I feel a kinship with working class England as a working class Scot.

  • Briton

    I’m a Glaswegian and Briton. I have no more in common with someone from the Orkney than from Manchester. My intellectual development owes as much to William Blake, as it does Hume. All of the worthwhile history in the region known as Scotland started, with that region known as England, with Reformation,  Enlightenment, Union. Everything before then is irrelevant. It’s just a pity Scotland will, almost inevitably, now become independent.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YZ5MOUNCASGSR46YNXUQ4B4PFQ LeahH

      “Enlightenment, Union?”  Seriously!

      Please understand that the ‘Union’ (and let’s be honest, it was an abusive marriage at best) makes up LESS THAN 0.03% of our Scotland’s settlement history!  If you call everything before that ‘irrelevant’ then you are, quite honestly, an idiot!

      It’s the 0.03% of our history that is ‘irrelevant’.  It is completely ‘irrelevant’ in fact.  It only happened due to trickery and deceit (not as Westminster would tell you ‘because it was what Scotland wanted, we saved them’).  The Union should never have happened and so it should be reversed as if it never had happened.

      My language owes nothing to Union, my culture owes nothing to the Union, my genetics (even) owe nothing to the Union.  All of my history stems back to before the Union.  You may not be a Gael, I am.  (N.B. only a minority of Scots are actually Celts but as Gaels/Picts my family make up part of that minority).  You will have a different language and culture to me, I do not try and refuse you YOUR culture and language (as you can see I’m bilingual), so I object to anyone who supports a regime that tries to refuse me MINE!  And Westminster has historically always tried to make everyone ‘British’, the very nature of ‘Britishness’ and ‘British culture’ requires me to throw aside my own culture.

      My culture isn’t something I can just throw away, it is a part of me, it is what I know and who I am.  No-one has the right to think that their culture is more important than mine, it isn’t, it’s just different.

      So, think how you would feel if Britain was invaded by Greeks to the extent that Greek culture was forced on you and your culture was slowly but surely eroded.  Not by the people but through intentional moves taken by the Government.  If you wouldn’t like that then you have absolutely no right to support a Government that tries to quash the Gaelic culture.

      Mind you, if you class yourself as British you probably don’t even have any idea how different Gaelic culture is.

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